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horus Dark · Feb 28, 2008, 07:45 AM // 07:45

LoL, well thanks for your replies.
To extend of the nba types of games...sure i played those.
But those arent labled RPG.
In general RPGs are about progressing your toon...and puttin efford in a toon and watching it getting more powerfull and growing is what drives me to continue playing.
If i am going to be as powerfull in 3 months are i am after 2days then is GW a rpg.
Or more off a counterstrike like game where you just pick a toon and start shooting eachother.
Also with CS you will suck at first...and become better with practice but that doesnt make it a RPG

Akaraxle · Feb 28, 2008, 09:30 AM // 09:30

No, you won't be able to farm PvP and get honor points for uber equipment. I recommend uninstalling.

Iuris · Feb 28, 2008, 10:01 AM // 10:01

There are MANY games where it's all about grinding to more power. From killing boars to farming Stones of Jordan (I want to see the quary for those, BTW, must be MASSIVE) to stomping Illidan or whatever.

Guild wars is NOT one of those games. One of the VERY FEW RPG games that are not like that.

So, if you want that, try one of those other games. GW may not be for you.

But first, ask yourself this:
Once you're level 99, with all the best gear, the perfect build that slaps Azathoth around in .45seconds...

...what are you playing for NOW?

NeonXero · Feb 28, 2008, 04:21 PM // 16:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iuris

There are MANY games where it's all about grinding to more power. From killing boars to farming Stones of Jordan (I want to see the quary for those, BTW, must be MASSIVE) to stomping Illidan or whatever.

Guild wars is NOT one of those games. One of the VERY FEW RPG games that are not like that.

So, if you want that, try one of those other games. GW may not be for you.

But first, ask yourself this:
Once you're level 99, with all the best gear, the perfect build that slaps Azathoth around in .45seconds...

...what are you playing for NOW?

First off, we need moar buggd SoJ in GWz plix. Throw in a couple of 290's... and you have the ideal PvP equipment haha. And once you beat... Azathoth? in .45 seconds, work on hell Baal.

But yeah... on topic... it really does seem that, at least for now, Guild Wars isn't the game you want to be playing. Everybody else has stated the reasons why... and if you don't see the point of "what this game actually is," I recommend trying another/different game.

On the other hand, if you can come to grips with what you can/should do in this game (not just level level level level equip equip equip pwn pwn pwn)... then give it more of a chance and see what you can make out of it.

Have fun, or at least try to!

Barbie · Feb 28, 2008, 04:33 PM // 16:33

You could always start a new character... Don't quit the game because you're done with 1 character. You don't have 4+ slots for nothing.
Edit: Also, going for the Legendary Survivor title without farming one spot could give you a good motivation to continue your progress into the campaigns after you've reached level 20.

Wirt · Feb 28, 2008, 05:31 PM // 17:31

Horus, I had the same trouble when I first started playing this game a few years ago. I was used to the typical RPG (although not the MMORPGs) - fight small monsters & level & get better equipment, fight harder monsters & level & get better equipment, fight harder monsters...etc.

When I reached level 20 about 1/3 through Prophecies, I thought "Hmmm thats it?? Am I near the end of the game??"

But in this game you have to put aside the typical RPG mindset and think of it more as a first person shooter pvp-wise. You have the same options on guns as the guys on the other side, but the more you play it the better you get at killing the other guy and staying alive. Same with this game, especially pvp wise. Everyone is on equal footing (max lvl 20 and max equipment), you win mostly if you have better skill or a build that would beat their build. Thats why a person who has been playing for 2 months would often lose to a guy who has been playing for 2 years, even though everything else is equal.

So just like a FPS, you get better at playing the game, not necessarilry better weapons or armor.

In regards to pve, you max out at lvl 20, however the monsters still get harder as you progress. You may be at level 20 in the Maguuma jungle, however when you get to the Southern Shiverpeaks, you are regularly fighting lvl 24 dwarves and lvl 28 bosses in large mobs. So your character hasnt progressed, but your skill has. Hope this helped, but anyways have fun.

aapo · Feb 28, 2008, 05:54 PM // 17:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iuris

There are MANY games where it's all about grinding to more power. From killing boars to farming Stones of Jordan (I want to see the quary for those, BTW, must be MASSIVE) to stomping Illidan or whatever.

- Many bad games like that, I agree. But there's an important difference between grinding and progression. Who wants to do dungeon that rewards some staff with exactly same (or inferior) mods as the one you're carrying? Who wants to kill monster whose loot goes straight to merchant every time? Heck, aren't adventures and loot the very bread & butter elements of RPGs? You can't just say that grinding is the devil. You have to acknowledge that this is a serious issue and design flaw in the game.

And PvP.
Let me ask you: why on earth would I want to spend 300-500 hours unlocking necessary skills, runes and other mods just to be able to play competitively? Instead of picking up some decent shooter like Counter-Strike or RTS like Warcraft III, install it and be playing on even field against other players in 15 minutes? You know, those games that were build from bottom up to be played competitively, and utmost importance placed on ensuring that no gimmicks could surface? As we have sadly seen, ANET doesn't even seem to care what kind of crap they're releasing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iuris

But first, ask yourself this:
Once you're level 99, with all the best gear, the perfect build that slaps Azathoth around in .45seconds...

- Journey is often more important than destination. On the contrary I might ask you the same thing: what are you doing once you reach level 20 shortly after newbie island and get max equipment? Take perfect build on wiki and nothing will be a challenge. As you learn the game you will just finish it faster and more efficiently, but that sounds more like good qualities to have for employee than a gamer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wirt

Everyone is on equal footing (max lvl 20 and max equipment), you win mostly if you have better skill or a build that would beat their build. Thats why a person who has been playing for 2 months would often lose to a guy who has been playing for 2 years, even though everything else is equal.

- That applies to every game. Saying that Guild Wars is the only somewhat balanced MMO in the shitty genre of imbalanced MMOs doesn't yet say it's worth anyone's time.

Feb 28, 2008, 04:33 PM // 16:33	#25
Barbie Academy Page Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Qu??bec Profession: W/	You could always start a new character... Don't quit the game because you're done with 1 character. You don't have 4+ slots for nothing. Edit: Also, going for the Legendary Survivor title without farming one spot could give you a good motivation to continue your progress into the campaigns after you've reached level 20. Last edited by Barbie; Feb 28, 2008 at 04:36 PM // 16:36..

Feb 28, 2008, 07:45 AM // 07:45	#21
horus Dark Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Feb 2008	LoL, well thanks for your replies. To extend of the nba types of games...sure i played those. But those arent labled RPG. In general RPGs are about progressing your toon...and puttin efford in a toon and watching it getting more powerfull and growing is what drives me to continue playing. If i am going to be as powerfull in 3 months are i am after 2days then is GW a rpg. Or more off a counterstrike like game where you just pick a toon and start shooting eachother. Also with CS you will suck at first...and become better with practice but that doesnt make it a RPG

Feb 28, 2008, 09:30 AM // 09:30	#22
Akaraxle Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Italy Profession: E/	No, you won't be able to farm PvP and get honor points for uber equipment. I recommend uninstalling.

Feb 28, 2008, 10:01 AM // 10:01	#23
Iuris Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Crazy ducks from the Forest Profession: W/	There are MANY games where it's all about grinding to more power. From killing boars to farming Stones of Jordan (I want to see the quary for those, BTW, must be MASSIVE) to stomping Illidan or whatever. Guild wars is NOT one of those games. One of the VERY FEW RPG games that are not like that. So, if you want that, try one of those other games. GW may not be for you. But first, ask yourself this: Once you're level 99, with all the best gear, the perfect build that slaps Azathoth around in .45seconds... ...what are you playing for NOW?

Feb 28, 2008, 05:31 PM // 17:31	#26
Wirt Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2007 Guild: Conscripts of Ascalon Profession: W/	Horus, I had the same trouble when I first started playing this game a few years ago. I was used to the typical RPG (although not the MMORPGs) - fight small monsters & level & get better equipment, fight harder monsters & level & get better equipment, fight harder monsters...etc. When I reached level 20 about 1/3 through Prophecies, I thought "Hmmm thats it?? Am I near the end of the game??" But in this game you have to put aside the typical RPG mindset and think of it more as a first person shooter pvp-wise. You have the same options on guns as the guys on the other side, but the more you play it the better you get at killing the other guy and staying alive. Same with this game, especially pvp wise. Everyone is on equal footing (max lvl 20 and max equipment), you win mostly if you have better skill or a build that would beat their build. Thats why a person who has been playing for 2 months would often lose to a guy who has been playing for 2 years, even though everything else is equal. So just like a FPS, you get better at playing the game, not necessarilry better weapons or armor. In regards to pve, you max out at lvl 20, however the monsters still get harder as you progress. You may be at level 20 in the Maguuma jungle, however when you get to the Southern Shiverpeaks, you are regularly fighting lvl 24 dwarves and lvl 28 bosses in large mobs. So your character hasnt progressed, but your skill has. Hope this helped, but anyways have fun.